Sgt. Fury and His Howling Commandos #15-17
Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty #2-4
i thought there was something fishy about those "Japanese" handmaidens!
Posted by: min | January 17, 2007 1:14 PM
Roy Thomas intended early Invaders villains to be analogues of DC superheros. Master Man=Superman, Baron Blood=Batman, Warrior Woman=Wonder Woman, U-Man=Aquaman. The stereotype Lady Lotus represents did exist in the 1940s, most notably the Dragon Lady in Milton Caniff's "Terry and the Pirates".
Posted by: Mark Drummond | July 11, 2011 4:22 AM
One major clue as to the chronology of the limited series is that Cap remarks that he's been a superhero for "over a year now". He wouldn't use that phrasing if he'd been a hero for two years or three years. Also Spider-Queen remarks that her husband's death took place "last June 20th"- two days before Hitler invaded the Soviet Union. So this probably takes place in June-July of 1942.
Posted by: Michael | September 29, 2012 3:32 PM
I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that the Iron Cross armor would have slowed his ageing from that picture, but looking this guy up, the suit apparantly substains him into the modern age. He does somewhat back up his anti-nazi stance by taking part in the modern V-Battalion (a secret group who spent much of their time hunting down war criminals) up until his actual non-drowny death... But whose to say loyalty to his country wouldn't win out if it were to happen again?
Does anybody know the fate of the guy who created the armor? Because I'm thinking, maybe it went the way of the original super soldier forumla and he was the only one who could produce it. Maybe he was ahead of his time, a Great War era Tony Stark even. Heck, the material alone sounds like it could have been something that wasn't standard issue...
Posted by: Max_Spider | September 29, 2012 7:20 PM
I was just making a lame joke regarding the anti-aging, based on what looks to me like two kids who are about the same age growing up to be what looks like two adults at least a decade apart. But the discrepancy actually occurs before Helmut Grule finds Franz Schneider's armor... It's odd that the armor actually will provide Grule with an abnormally long life; i wasn't aware of that when i wrote that line. Thanks for your comments here.
Posted by: fnord12 | September 29, 2012 7:55 PM
A big chunk of the Liberty Legion/Iron Cross fight was intended as a Liberty Legion solo for Marvel Premiere; it got salvaged and shoehorned in here.
Miss America had super-strength in the 1940s; not sure why Roy dumped it.
Don Glut tends to put plenty of naked ladies in his homemade movies, so Lady Lotus' homoeroticism is very likely intentional.
I don't think Roy knew that Spider Queen's real name, Sharon Kane, was also the name of a prominent(albeit blonde) long-time porno actress.
The Silver Scorpion's Golden Age costume wasn't anything to cheer about either.
Posted by: Mark Drummond | September 29, 2012 8:23 PM
Dragon woman and potential lesbian antics aside, it would have been interesting to see more regarding the concept of the hypocritism that the Allies had in being the bringers of freedom and yet pull things like the internment camps for the Japanese. (sorry, just saw "Bad Day at Black Rock" the other day and considering what we pulled due to WWII, we weren't really saints even with the best of intentions)
And skewing of super-powers aside, I think what Jimmy Woo pulled in the 50s was impressive regardless, facing off against someone like the Yellow Claw and keeping him at bay during the weird post-war, pre-FF1 period. Heck, the Claw probably was lucky that the heroes were mostly dormant during the period and that merely a Chinese-American agent did him in. (at least he wasn't controlling some of the monsters that came in the late 50s...)
Posted by: Ataru320 | October 4, 2012 6:27 PM
Just FYI, but upskirt shots (knickers in view) were pretty common in the Spider-queen's golden age stories.
Posted by: kveto from prague | October 8, 2012 9:03 AM
Posted by: kveto from prague | October 8, 2012 11:26 AM
Rick Hoberg's first Marvel art was in FOOM#6.
Posted by: Mark Drummond | February 10, 2013 6:22 PM
Interesting that someone must come on a comic blog and point out the difference between internment (analogous to being in prison) and concentration (meaning that a group was gathered together or concentrated). The U.S. internment of Japanese-Americans did not result in the wholesale slaughter of said Americans. This is antithetical to the concentration camps run in the Nazi Empire in Europe. There, six million people in the camps were systematically murdered. So, what are we to conclude from the information I have given? Only that if one thinks of the Allies as "hypocritical" for putting the Nazis on trial for their crimes while some of the prosecutors (namely the U.S.) interned their own citizens in camps only to return them safely to their homes, one is a complete and utter simpleton.
Posted by: Horrible Man | March 10, 2014 2:04 AM
Is it the exact same? No.
Is it morally reprehensible? Yes.
First of all, it IS incarcerating citizens for committing no crimes. That's wrong in any context.
Also, your facts are lacking. It was not a genocide campaign, you are correct.
Did any incarcerated Japanese-Americans die due to the conditions? Yes, they did. Disease and squalor were a severe problem in the camps. So, no, not everyone got released with a happy ending.
Did everyone return home? Nope. Many lost their property or had their homes taken. A reason why many state/local politicians went along with the incarceration (especially many Republicans, who differed quite a bit with FDR's policies) was that wealthy benefactors in the area were interested in acquiring some lucrative properties. Allowing the citizens to be taken away freed up some choice land that was under "occupation" by Japanese people.
You have to figure it may be hard to work and make money while in a prison camp, and quite a few Japanese-American citizens rounded up owned businesses.
Reparations were never given to those incarcerated for no crimes by the US government.
If you want to point out fallacies, the big one was the reason for the war. World War II was not declared to stop the Nazi genocides. It was declared due to Germany's aggressive expansionist policies.
And, one could argue that element didn't even figure in to America's entering the war, as Hitler actually declared war on the United States.
I'm not saying that some soldiers did not fight the war because of the anti-Jewish policies of Nazi Germany, but that was never the reason war was declared.
Posted by: ChrisKafka | March 10, 2014 2:25 AM
Aw, that George Takei guy overblows the persecution of Japanese-Americans during WWII. Everyone in a round up camp should have been grateful it wasn't like Nazi concentration camps and zip it.
(Sarcasm ends here)
Anyway my introduction to Baron Blood was with the Stern/Byrne run of Captain America so seeing him in the 70s he looks kind of silly. Certainly looks scarier with a thinner frame too, kind of why I prefer smaller Spider-Man over heroic build.
Posted by: David Banes | March 10, 2014 3:00 AM
Chris- the average death rate in the camps was roughly the same as the death rate outside the camps. Some people were shot by the guards or whatever, though.
Posted by: Michael | March 10, 2014 7:59 AM
It's the official policy of this website that imprisoning people based on their ethnicity is wrong. We don't need to compare death rates or ask if the people were later "returned safely to their homes". Captain America's motto was never "If you're not exactly as bad as the Nazis, you're OK in my book."
If someone wants to have a nuanced discussion about this, please take it somewhere else.
Posted by: fnord12 | March 10, 2014 9:07 AM
Sorry, I'll let it go.
Anyway, can't wait for this site to hit the 90s. Maximum Carnage, Clone Saga, Onslaught, Heroes Reborn, so many wonderful works!
Okay I admit I haven't read the last two but I dislike Marvels 90s period very much.
Posted by: David Banes | March 10, 2014 7:11 PM
"Glut has Union Jack affecting a Cockney expression for the hell of it."
Just to make it a little worse, 'blooming' isn't even a Cockney expression, or certainly I've never heard it used as one. It's a stereotypically Northern English phrase. Ah well, let's be charitable to Glut and chalk it up to Union Jack being from an aristocratic background and maybe a little out of touch.
Posted by: James M | June 1, 2014 11:30 AM
IIRC, they did much more than hint in #9 that Dracula "sired" Baron Blood; I don't have it handy, but in my mind's eye, I can clearly see a Frank Robbins flashback of John Falsworth setting out to control the Count and ending up being the victim instead.
Posted by: Matthew Bradley | September 30, 2016 2:21 PM
Don Glut confirmed in Alter Ego #143 that Lady Lotus was bisexual.
Posted by: Mark Drummond | October 2, 2016 12:09 PM
The bit about Miss America's being the Liberty Legion's secretary is a homage to the Golden Age adventures of the JSA, in which Wonder Woman played that role.
The Spider Queen's Golden Age origin in THE EAGLE #2 (Fox, 1941) was the same, but the original version only describes her husband's killers as "enemies of his country", so they might be Nazis.
I suspect Thomas put the Silver Scorpion into battle-armour to finally justify her name.
Marvel Wikia has synopses of the Blazing Skull's Golden Age adventures. They don't mention the origin, so I think it's entirely Thomas's concoction.
In his origin panel the Blazing Skull says he originally wore a "fiery skull-mask". I think it wasn't literally fiery. In the splash panel from his debut story it has what looks like a glow effect around it. The effect around his simulacrum's head in AVENGERS #97 might also be a glow. In the other panels I've seen from his Golden Age stories it's just a red mask, so I can't be sure it ever even glowed outside that splash panel.
Posted by: Luke Blanchard | November 7, 2016 7:27 AM