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This is some incredible stuff and i expect we'll be seeing a lot more of it around the country as progressives challenge old guard Dems.

By fnord12 | February 15, 2018, 11:31 PM | Liberal Outrage | Link

New Democratic campaign slogan

"We've got what we've got for the next 30 years."

(This was actually about repealing and replacing the Republican tax bill. Bernie Sanders, Dean Baker, and MMT guy Randy Wray - i.e. the lefties - do have some substantive ideas.)

By fnord12 | February 10, 2018, 1:10 PM | Liberal Outrage | Link

As If Kids Weren't Punishment Enough

Having kids means having to take time off to take care of them when the little germ factories get sick. And if you don't get paid sick leave, that can be a huge financial problem. So when people start demanding paid sick leave for all jobs, what do we get offered instead? A plan that says you can get some paid sick leave in exchange for losing some of your pension. How exactly is this making things better?

The argument here is that the plan cannot be said to impose a punishment on parents because all it really does is shift around the punishment we already impose on parents. Put simply, the Rubio-Trump plan replaces the lost-earnings penalty that our current system imposes on parents with a lost-pensions penalty. So, it eliminates (reduces) an old penalty while imposing a new one.

DeSanctis insists that because these two penalties are equal in magnitude, there is no punishment involved, but that's a bizarre rhetorical dodge. If normally I punch you, but then decide going forward that I am going to kick you instead, would a normal person say that my new kicking policy does not constitute an attack on you? I don't think so.

The People's Policy Project writes about it here and here.

I don't agree with Bruenig's argument for cynical support.

The cynical case is that, after such a policy was enacted, it would be trivially easy to subsequently kill the part where parents who take the benefits are forced to retire later. In fact, you would have about 25 years of time before the first recipients of the paid leave benefit would be retiring. If the Democrats took control anywhere in that 25 years, they could ensure that nobody who received the paid leave benefit has to delay their retirement for doing so. Indeed, adopting the popular plank of "ending the parent retirement penalty" may even make it easier for them to take power in the future.

I think the Democrats have demonstrated time and time again that they have little desire to do much of anything, regardless of who's in charge. I wouldn't rely on them to fix anything no matter how many years they had to get it done. The years the Democrats controlled the House and Senate, they would try for some milquetoast bipartisan crap that the Republicans would easily block. Then when the Republicans gained both houses, the Dems would spend the whole time sitting on their hands while peddling the idea that they are just powerless to effect change at this particular time, but boy are they totally on your side so please vote for them next time.

fnord12: Republicans have a "solution" for student loan debt which also includes trading away your social security. Republicans really want you to give up your social security.

By min | February 9, 2018, 4:50 PM | Liberal Outrage | Link

Let the negative feedback loop continue

"The resistance gets rolled".

Liberal groups groused that their allies in Congress had yet again squandered their leverage, bowing to Republican promises to debate immigration but not necessarily to pass legislation. But Democrats seemed unconcerned about angering the party's left flank.

"My boss is the 700,000 [constituents] who I represent. That's who I report to," Rep. Cheri Bustos (D-Ill.) said. "I don't report to anybody out here."

Indeed, Democrats on both ends of the party's ideological spectrum said that prodding from the left had little bearing on their vote.

They brag about ignoring their active base:

Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) recalled being pressed two weeks ago to reject a deal to reopen the government. Nonetheless, "I voted yes," he said.

"I pay attention to everybody," said Brown, who's also spurned calls from the grass roots to champion a Medicaid-for-all effort this Congress. "If the suggestion is if I'm spooked by them or they affect my voting record, the answer is of course not."

I mean, fine, ignore these people. But then spare us the outrage when they don't show up at the polls or vote third party.

By fnord12 | February 9, 2018, 2:41 PM | Liberal Outrage | Link

Some of those that work forces

This keeps happening:

California police investigating a violent white nationalist event worked with white supremacists in an effort to identify counter-protesters and sought the prosecution of activists with "anti-racist" beliefs, court documents show.

This Intercept article did not get enough attention.

By fnord12 | February 9, 2018, 10:39 AM | Liberal Outrage | Link

That'll show em


The budget agreement sets aside the question of immigration and what to do about the sunsetting Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, which was at the heart of the standoff in January that ended in a three-day shutdown.

Led by Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, Democrats threatened to shut down the government if House Speaker Paul Ryan didn't give assurances of a DACA fix vote. In the end, enough Democrats voted for the spending bill to offset the conservatives who didn't vote for it. But they made sure Republicans sweated on the floor, withholding their support until the very last minute.

I'm not saying the Democrats have a lot of power at the moment or that forcing a government shutdown over DACA is a good strategy, but the way they keep leading DACA supporters and activists on isn't winning them any favors. Last time they forced a shutdown, got nothing, and relented. This time they threatened a shutdown but didn't (but at least they made the Republican's "sweat", thanks Vox). Democrats keep wavering between saying how they'll fight for DACA and claiming powerlessness. Meanwhile, Rand Paul seems capable of shutting down the government all by himself. It's enough to convince DACA supporters that maybe the Democrats aren't exactly sincere. Again, not sure what the right move here really is. But in terms of messaging and clear tactics, the Democrats don't seem to be doing so good.

By fnord12 | February 9, 2018, 10:22 AM | Liberal Outrage | Link

Got them scared?

Atrios has abandoned his normal brevity to rant about the astroturf campaign being set up to fight Medicare For All. See here and here. Also relevant is his post on means-testing.

Regarding United States of Care, it seems to me like Medicare For All must seem like a realistic threat to them if they feel the need to set up stuff like this.

By fnord12 | February 7, 2018, 6:19 PM | Liberal Outrage | Link

WHO you gonna believe?


Republican lawmakers are threatening to cut off U.S. funding for the World Health Organization's cancer research program over its finding that the active ingredient in the herbicide Roundup is probably carcinogenic to humans.

By fnord12 | February 7, 2018, 6:17 PM | Liberal Outrage | Link

UBI or Die

This article talks about how Facebook (and presumably Twitter) is killing all content producers, largely because people can view the content on Facebook and never go to the producer' sites and generate ad revenue. I don't dispute anything in the article but i think the premise needs to be examined. Relying on ad revenue in the first place seems to be an increasingly dubious prospect on the internet, even if Facebook, Google, etc.. weren't sucking up all of what there is of it. We need a real solution to this problem, but it's not the sort of thing our 80 year old senators - bought by various interests - are equipped to discuss. And until someone comes up with a better idea, i'm going to say that we just need to give everyone a Universal Basic Income so that they can produce awesome stuff on the internet and not be afraid that they're going to starve to death because of Facebook.

By fnord12 | February 7, 2018, 11:40 AM | Liberal Outrage | Link

$15 Isn't Even Enough

Using MIT's Living Wage Calculator (which breaks it down by county), someone made a map that shows how much 2 adults with 1 child would need to earn just to meet basic needs.

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Even in Kansas, you'd need $21/hr. In Jersey, you'd need $27/hr just to pay for food and rent and things just to live. But not savings. So, you'll also need to keep making this much up until the day you die. Don't even think about getting sick.

The current minimum wage in this state is $8.60. Meanwhile, you've got the State Senate President Stephen Sweeney and others not only making us fight to get $15/hr, they want to exclude people who do shift work or get paid in tips or work on farms. What the fuck? Why don't these guys just go around and tell people to die, because that's basically what they're doing by refusing to give people a living wage.

By min | February 5, 2018, 4:46 PM | Liberal Outrage | Link

Unironically noting without comment

Here's a weird kind of inside baseball story about Frank Pallone and how people get "picked" to run for Senate in New Jersey that i'm linking to so i don't lose it.

By fnord12 | February 3, 2018, 1:01 PM | Liberal Outrage | Link

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