...i don't need to live in them.

One:

It looks like a scene from the movie "Waterworld" here off the Iraqi coast.

Two oil terminals - this one and the Khawr al Amaya a few kilometers away - rise from the sea, miles out of sight of land. The oil wealth of Iraq flows into supertankers that berth here.

There is a post-Apocalyptic, industrial wasteland feel to this oil terminal. It's all hard edges - steel grating, concrete and massive valves. The whine of machinery, the thump of pumps and the roar of generators are constant. The smell of crude oil permeates everything.

Two:

The Bush administration is seeking to develop a powerful ground-based laser weapon that would use beams of concentrated light to destroy enemy satellites in orbit.

The largely secret project, parts of which have been made public through Air Force budget documents submitted to Congress in February, is part of a wide-ranging effort to develop space weapons, both defensive and offensive. No treaty or law forbids such work.

this is what robin refers to as the "bad kind of science fiction"

You'll have to pick a better reference. Noone saw that crappy movie.

Your loss. It's Mad Max on water!

Yes, but it also stars Kevin Costner, which automatically makes it bad. We're talking about a guy who had the cojones to make this only a year after Tombstone came out.

Don't even get me started on "The Postman" and "Dragonfly".

I know a thing or two about bad movies . There are fun bad movies and painful bad movies. Costner makes a career out of making movies as painfully bad as possible.

kevin costner is Mr. Post-Apocalyptic.