Giant-Size Invaders #1
Sgt. Fury and His Howling Commandos #12
Invaders annual #1
All the Liberty Legion members were actual Golden Age Marvel characters. That doesn't necessarily preclude them from being losers, though.
Posted by: Mark Drummond | July 11, 2011 4:15 AM
Other characters appearing(usually for one panel): The Fin, Sir Steel, Silver Squire, Crimson Cavalier, Phantom Eagle. A few other Timely heroes are mentioned for the first time since the Golden Age, but not seen.
The Phantom Eagle had actually appeared in Marvel stories before--a solo story in Marvel Super-Heroes, the Kang-WW1 issue of Hulk, and as a ghost in Ghost Rider #12. He was a bit infamous as one of Silver Age Marvel's few complete flops, saleswise.
Posted by: Mark Drummond | July 30, 2011 8:05 PM
Forgot to add: Dracula(obscured for the most part).
Posted by: Mark Drummond | July 30, 2011 8:18 PM
yeah, i wanted to like the invaders but like you say, no real characterization and no golden age "feel" really. so much wasted potential and standard roy thomas dialougue.
Posted by: Kveto from Prague | September 5, 2011 1:01 PM
This is the first I knew that Red Raven, who appeared in X-Men #44, was a GA character. WIkipedia says he pre-dated all the other heroes getting self-titled books in 1940, but only appeared once in the GA.
Posted by: Richard Meyer | May 12, 2012 11:40 PM
I always assumed the Invaders stories took place before D-Day, especially in 1942-1943 era. Any reason in the comics themselves why you placed them so late?
Posted by: Chris | September 23, 2012 12:18 AM
Giant-Size Invaders #1 definitely begins shortly after Pearl Harbor, and you'll note by placement of issues this run is before D-Day (the Howling Commandos are still training for D-Day in issue #14 of their series, which i have after this)(also see the note in Chronological Placement Considerations here).
The disconnect is that originally i just used 1944 as the Year category for all my Golden Age books (same as how i used 1961 for all my Monster Age books) without trying to tie events to a real historical year. But then as i added more Golden Age backissues i started adding more Year categories to make insertion of books easier for myself. I should probably do a clean-up to avoid confusion.
Posted by: fnord12 | September 23, 2012 2:56 PM
Understood. Instead of assigning a year, have you thought about just labeling it as the WWII era? Gives you more flexibility, and without needing to assign specific years.
Posted by: Chris | September 23, 2012 10:19 PM
Yeah, that's what i did for the Hero Gap. I don't remember why i didn't originally do that for the Golden and Monster ages as well. At this point i might as well just clean up the Golden Age year categories though.
Posted by: fnord12 | September 23, 2012 11:21 PM
Just a note: i have taken Chris' advice here and simplified the Golden Age sub-categories into just WWII and post-WWII to avoid confusion.
Posted by: fnord12 | October 21, 2012 7:37 PM
Jack Kirby's cover to Invaders#5 was based on an Ed Hannigan sketch.
Posted by: Mark Drummond | March 4, 2013 5:46 PM
Something I forgot to mention: When "Hilda" reveals her name in #2, it's "Tekeli-Li", which was the sound the Shoggoths made in Lovecraft's "At the Mountains of Madness"(and also may be an Edgar Allan Poe reference). She also gives her ship's name as Roman numerals, which translates to a specific year I can't remember.
Posted by: Mark Drummond | April 26, 2013 4:58 PM
@Mark: Was Hild's real name suggesting she was either a Tsalalian or servitor or captive of some cult or elder entities?
The year was 1941.
Wonder what her connection was to our Valkyrie?
Posted by: Nathan Adler | April 27, 2013 7:55 AM
I suspect it was just Roy Thomas being literary. The shoggoths in Lovecraft didn't have names(or apparently intelligence), but they were the earthbound creations of an ancient alien race that used them as laborers(and later got wiped out by the shoggoths after losing control of them). The shoggoths could change their shape(or at least Alan Moore thinks so) which I suppose is a similarity to the Axi-Tun's weird resemblance to Earth mythical figures, but no way were they smart enough to run or create a spaceship.
Posted by: Mark Drummond | April 27, 2013 2:14 PM
Would have been better to name the ship Grampus or Nantucket;)
Posted by: Nathan Adler | April 27, 2013 6:22 PM
great to see Detective Nathan Adler here. I was a sucker for 1995's "1. Outside"
Some things which shouldn't bother me but do about the Invaders are the groovy 70s haircuts for a 1940s setting, as well as Thomas's dialogue. I also think citing John Wayne westerns in 1941 is a little out of place. I remember Stan citing Tony Curtis in an issue of Sgt. Fury which is a bit out of place, time-wise. I really WANTED to like the Invaders. They had some great covers.
Posted by: George Gordon | April 15, 2014 9:22 PM
I had read Thomas' later All Star Squadron series from DC before Invaders.
I was expecting Invaders would be just as great, but Thomas did everything in Invaders over again, but a lot better with All Star, plus he included actual characterization there.
Well, at least this story had Red Raven. I love Red Raven. I found a copy of the X-Men issue where he returned for my collection, when I was a kid, and it made me a Red Raven fan for life. I like the concept of hidden races.
Thomas would use a story similar to Red Raven's at DC too, on Infinity Inc.
Posted by: ChrisKafka | April 15, 2014 10:02 PM
I remember having a couple of these issues, which I also came to, like ChrisKafka, after reading All-Star Squadron. Like Thomas, I have always had a fascination for the Golden Age characters, though A-SS works better, mainly because there's so much a larger range of characters to choose from, and also because Thomas had more time to work it all out. Thomas would also come up with a brilliant idea in that series as to why the heroes couldn't just rush in an win the war as well.
Posted by: Erik Beck | December 3, 2014 1:16 PM
Forgot to add, I love the character of Baron Blood, but that's more, I think, because of how he would be used in Byrne's run on CA.
Posted by: Erik Beck | December 3, 2014 1:18 PM
Marvel Premiere #30 was printed with a (pretty big) error.
The panels on page 8 are printed out of order.
Most notable in that Thin Man is seen answering Bucky's question from the other panel.
And it was only on the most recent reprinting (Invaders Complete Collection) that it was finally rectified.
Posted by: AF | January 23, 2016 4:57 AM
The Invaders, Liberty Legion etc. Have some tremndous characters and should be part of an alternate Earth dimension or frequenct that is traversed in a "Fringe" like manner when services are needed etc. The timelines of the characters would not fall under a Golden Age label and would allow for some much needed interaction with the current Marvel Universe Dimension
Posted by: RocknRollguitarplayer | June 6, 2016 12:40 AM
Yeah, that would definitely pass as an original idea.
Posted by: AF | June 6, 2016 9:13 AM
Roy Thomas conceived several of the Nazi super-villains in this series as fascist expies of the Justice League. Master Man is a Superman stand-in, Meranno the U-Man is Aquaman, Baron Blood is Batman, and the soon-to-be-introduced Warrior Woman is Wonder Woman.
Posted by: Ben Herman | September 16, 2016 10:58 PM
@Ben, Mark Drummond and others have advanced that theory, but unless there's some documentation, I don't buy it, for several reasons:
1) Thomas wasn't subtle with his knock-offs. For example, the Crusaders are exact analogs of the Earth X heroes. If Thomas was parodying the JLA, there'd be a Green Lantern and a Flash.
2) Most of the analogies are way off. Master Man doesn't have any of Superman's powers other than strength, and he's not from another planet. U-Man's not a hybrid, nor royalty. Warrior Woman is a scientifically powered German, not a magical outsider. Baron Blood has nothing in common with Batman other than a general bat theme.
3) If anything, the villains are based on the Invaders themselves. Master Man is the fascist Captain America, and U-Man is the fascist Sub-Mariner.
4) There are more organic theories for their origins: When you think Nazis, you think "Master Race" (Master Man and Warrior Woman) and u-boats (Meranno). And Roy Thomas had been itching to write a vampire story for a long long time, at least since he created Sauron in the X-Men.
Posted by: Andrew | September 17, 2016 8:25 AM
@Andrew, it's been stated in print by Roy Thomas that those four villains were partially inspired by the Justice League members I listed. See his article "World War II Forever (But Only In Comic Books)" in Alter Ego #20 (January 2003).
Too bad we never saw a Squadron Supreme vs. Super-Axis encounter :)
Posted by: Ben Herman | September 17, 2016 11:10 AM
The Crusaders were indeed analogs of the Earth-X characters, not the JLA. Thomas set up some kinda-sorta crossover with Bob Rozakis, writer of the Freedom Fighters. Thomas created a set of Crusaders that represented the Freedom Fighters, and at roughly the same time Rozakis used another set of Crusaders based on the Invaders.
Posted by: Mark Drummond | September 17, 2016 11:51 AM
Let's not forget that when All-Star Squadron ended and became Young All-Stars in 1987, Thomas once again created a JLA (JSA) Axis counterpart in Axis Amerika, filling in the void left by the "non-existence" Post-Crisis of the Golden Age Superman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman and Aquaman with Ubermensch, Grosshorn Eule, Die Fledermaus, Gudra and Sea Wolf.
Posted by: Erik Beck | September 17, 2016 12:23 PM
Baron Blood has nothing in common with Batman other than a general bat theme.
There's also his secret identity as a wealthy layabout.
Posted by: Omar Karindu | September 17, 2016 12:40 PM
As to Master Man, his powers are perfect analogues to the 1938-model Superman, who really was just a strong, invulnerable dude who jumped rather than flying.
Unfortunately, the net effect of Master Man, U-Man, and Warrior Woman is that a ,to of the Invaders' enemies are just strongmen; it's a shame Thomas *didn't* create analogues for characters like Flash and Green Lantern, if only to add a little variety. (And later on, we'll get a couple of Iron Man knockoffs and an awful lot of villains who are essentially costumed athletes. Baron Blood really is the best of the lot)
Posted by: Omar Karindu | September 17, 2016 12:43 PM
I'm certainly not arguing that Thomas didn't make a career out of recycling other people's ideas; I just think Baron Blood is a long ways from Batman. Since I don't have a copy of Alter Ego #20 I'll have to take your word for it.
Posted by: Andrew | September 17, 2016 1:23 PM
FYI, there was a movie titled BARON BLOOD released in 1972. Directed by Mario Brava, it was not considered one of his better films. And other than featuring a vampire it doesn't seem to have any connection to the Invaders' villain.
Posted by: Gary Himes | October 9, 2016 10:09 PM
I've just reread Mavel Two-in-One Annual #1, with Sky-Shark and Slicer, who are clearly knock-offs of Blackhawk and Chop Chop, so I take back everything I said about the Invaders villains not being based on DC heroes. Roy Thomas never fails to disappoint.
Posted by: Andrew | October 28, 2016 7:14 PM
This series is an example of the covers being really entertaining and engaging in a way the interior stories are not. One of my main issues with the Invaders is that as much as it's hit over our heads this is set in the forties, all of the characters have the latest 70s' hairdos.
Posted by: Wis | January 6, 2017 8:37 PM
One item that has left blisters on my frontal lobe is the Alex Schomberg Giant Size cover art. Is this or isn't this his last cover in the world of comics? The attempt to establish this as fact or fiction is always a bit slapdash and is always answered rhetorically at best when it is brought into a conversation with a seemingly fervent yes while the head is shaking no. Can anybody represent on this topic?
Posted by: RocknRollguitarplayer | January 9, 2017 11:34 PM
@rocknrollguitarplayer - you're thinking of Invaders Annual 1. Dave Robbins did the cover art for the Giant Size Invaders.
Posted by: Mark Black | January 10, 2017 12:08 AM
Yes Mark thanks that is the cover I'm referring to. Is this Schombergs last cover or last published comic artwork? Is it his last work on a Marvel comic?
Posted by: RocknRockrollguitarplayer | January 10, 2017 12:23 AM
I'm not sure if you'll reach this point with the read, but I'd list first Brain Drain since he's a recurring character in the Squirrel Girl book.
Posted by: Ataru320 | March 24, 2017 10:25 AM
The Blue Diamond's power is that he's as tough as diamonds or some shit. Really.
Posted by: squirrel_defeater | January 18, 2018 11:49 PM
Great pot-calling-the-kettle-black moment when Namor speaks of someone else having an arrogant bearing. Also, I'm a tad surprised that the Thin Man wasn't given a mustache and resembled William Powell.
Posted by: Brian Coffey | March 20, 2018 12:13 AM